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Mark







PostPosted: June 28, 2004 9:10 PM 

Importance: High

Update: Traffic Power has changed there name to "1P" or "First Place". They are using the domain 1p with a .com after it (please do not link to them). Please spread the word and help others avoid getting burned by them.

GoogleGuy recently broke his silence to confirm that Google has taken action against an SEO firm and it's clients for spammy techniques. The SEO company convinced some its clients to use javascript redirects and place hidden links to doorway pages created by the firm. GoogleGuy explains:

I believe that one SEO had convinced clients either to put spammy Javascript mouseover redirects, doorway pages that link to other sites, or both on their clients' sites. That can lead to clients' sites being flagged as spam in addition to the doorway domains that the SEO set up.

GoogleGuy later reassured webmasters that those who use javascript mousover to place text in the status bar do not need to worry about beeing banned.

While the SEO company was not named in the thread, discussions in other forums reveal that the company in question was Traffic Power. I think it is important to mention the company name, so that others can learn to stay away from them. There have been numerous reports of people losing their job for hiring this firm to do their SEO, and rumors are brewing about a lawsuit in the works.

Update:I have heard that one of the efforts at a class-action lawsuit has been discontinued, but others are pending. If you are a former Traffic Power customer, you can send an email to Dave over at Traffic Power Sucks to get involved.

Thanks to Jan Willamowius for pointing me to this thread. I have been quite busy lately, without much time to scan the discussion threads looking for GoogleGuy's comments, which have been few and far between, and mostly insignificant. If you notice any significant posts by Google, please send me an email at googleguysays@markcarey.com. Thanks

Johnny

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PostPosted: June 28, 2004 11:08 PM 

Google guy,

To confirm your suspicions about a class-action lawsuit against Traffic Power:

http://www.girardgibbs.com/traffic-power.html

Dodger

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PostPosted: June 30, 2004 1:29 PM 

First of all, welcome back Mark. Even if it is in a limited capacity.

I have been reading that thread at WMW and must have missed all the scoop about Traffic Power. Thanks for bringing that up.

It was also kind of funny how the "rumor" has spread that Google is able to detect this mouseover event and automaticly drop pages from the their Index accordingly. I think it is a little more involved than that.

It does come out later on in the thread that it is a manual dropping, but so many people have picked up on the original beginnings of the thread that it will be hard to stop that rumor from circulating around for a while.

Robert H. Hardin, Jr.

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PostPosted: July 4, 2004 10:19 AM 

T-P Deceives Mississippi Printing Co., Inc.

My name is Robert H. Hardin, Jr. and I am the President/CEO of Mississippi Printing Co., Inc. located in Greenwood, Mississippi. We have been on the internet since 2001 and I would never have thought what has happen could ever be. Unfortunately, it appears my company has fallen victim to the allleged business practices of a firm known as T-P. Our site has been banned with absolutely no warning from Google while T-P claims no wrong doing. Ladies and gentlement, this is wrong and I am certain there are any number of honest reputable companies out there that have apparently fallen victim to these deceptive practices as well. I believe Google has taken the wrong approach to cleaning up bad SEO's, especially in regard to their innocnet clients. Needless to say, my company, with certainty, is being forced to file suite against T-P for putting us in this position, but far worse against Google for squashing the most viable market we have, the internet. I'm certain, I'm not the only one out there that feels this way. I would like to hear from those that are in the same situation. Perhaps in numbers we can at least convence Google that it is wrong to put the mark in jail. Below, I have enclosed an e-mail directed to Google in hopes that common sense prevail. Your comments are welcome and if there is any interest in joining me in a class action, please come forward for Google has left me no choice.

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Gentlemen,

Upon further investigation, it has been concluded that there is absolutely nothing on our site that would warrant Google to continue to block mississippiprinting.com form the index. To continue would compound the damage to our company perhaps to the point of failure. Regardless of what Google feels their legal position is, such persistence would show a distinct lack of good faith on Google's part and would certainly force perhaps thousands of companies to pursue legal action not only against T-P but Google as well. This is not a threat, it is a reality and I respectfully ask that mississippiprinting.com be reinstated to the index immediately or I will have no other choice than to seek an immediate legal remedy against both Google and T-P. I can hardly believe that Google would choose to further damage respectable businesses because of the alleged bogus practices of a third party and why on earth did Google not respect these companies, especially their customers, enough to warn them of their ultimate action. You apparently have the technology to detect unacceptable practices on the web yet you choose not to use your technology to warn innocent businesses and good customers that there is a no-no going on. I guess that is just too simple. This is not right!

It's certain I'm not the only victim of the alleged bogus business practices of this company. Also, I'm certain there are many like me that had no clue that such action by Google without some warning would be the outcome for using this company. This reminds me of grammar school when the bad kids would deceivingly pat you on the back while sticking a big "Kick Me" sign to your shirt for all to see but you. After a couple of big kicks in the seat the game is figured out and everything and everyone goes back to normal. I expect to be put back whole in this matter with everything put back to normal. I am an innocent third party. The problem has come to my attention and action has been taken to eliminate it, yet I'm facing the possibility of losing my business for being blocked from the index because of what somebody else did.

The 64,000 dollar question is this, "It would stand to reason that if Google chooses to align my practices with those of Traffic-Power, why is it that Google still allows me to spend $2,500.00--$3,000.00 a month with AdWords if I am as unscrupulous as the real culprit?" This being the case, would it not also stand to reason that Google just quit doing business with me all together. Gentlemen, don't be two faced about this. It will appear that banning innocent companies from the index would force a boost in AdWord revenue, a pretty steamy practice in itself. I will expect an answer to this question. An answer that is something other than Google search and Google AdWords are two different divisions. You can hardly expect businesses to allow you to bite one hand while being fed with the other.

This issue must be resolve immediately. I will expect a definite answer from Google within 72 hours as to whether it intends to further damage my company by continuing their block on mississippiprinting.com. or not. In all fairness, which there seems to be little on Google's part at this point, this is a simple enough request. My lively hood is at stake and it can not be ignored. If Google intends to continue this banning, I will have to take the appropriate action. So, if this is the position Google intends to continue with, there is no real reason to avoid the declaration of such intent. If mississippiprinting.com has not been reinstated to the index or their has been no response to this e-mail within this time frame, I will have to assume it is, "To Hell with Mississippi Printing Co." and perhaps thousands of other reputable companies.

I have not written this request to intimidate or threaten Google into any sort of submission. I just want you to do the right thing. I'm certain there are perhaps some underlying legal issues Google may be considering in this matter. I'm even certain that you feel comfortable banning innocent companies from your index. However, I for one, will have no choice than to test that theory. If I appear to be a bit hostile, I apologize. Unfortunately, I AM REALLY MAD for being put in this position. However, hopefully common sense and good judgment will prevail or it will be a real can of worms. I only wish to clearly point out the gravity of this situation for Mississippi Printing Co. and Google as well. It is my opinion that Google is on the threshold of some extremely bad press for squeezing the little guy while sitting back perhaps saying the clients of T-P should have know better. I'm sure there is a better approach to weeding out the bad SEO's. People are deceived every day and I have yet seen the first report of any court in this country putting the con man's "Mark" in jail.

Google has put the mark in jail.
There's something wrong with this picture.

Your immediate attention and favorable consideration in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
I look forward to an expedited response.

Robert H. Hardin, Jr.
President/CEO
Mississippi Printing Co., Inc.
www.mississippiprinting.com

Jan Chilton

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PostPosted: July 4, 2004 4:44 PM 

Threatening to sue Google for pulling your site out is ridiculous. They don't OWE you a placement in their index in the first place. What money they have made you and the benefit you've incurred from them was a GIFT, and should be considered as much.

Clean up your spam, email help@google.com, be respectful, apologetic, and humble, and they will probably reinstate you. It won't be immediate, but the Google employees are the best. They will do what they can. What you'd better hope is that Yahoo doesn't ban you as well. You won't fare as well with them when it comes to being reinstated.

Jan

Tashi

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PostPosted: July 21, 2004 12:51 AM 

Haven't looked at your site Mississippi but being banned from Google because of malpractice by SEO's does not mean that you can never get into Google again. If your site is search engine friendly and all doorway pages etc are now gone from it you can just submit your website again.
Won't even comment on the suing Google thing that is just a very big joke! You don't have to write emails and groval etc, just clean up any kind of spam issues and resubmit your website at Googles 'add url' page - the robot will spider your site asap. And if your site is friendly you will be indexed! (were you even indexed before? or just on the say so of your SEO who sent traffic through dubious means to your website).

Tashi

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PostPosted: July 21, 2004 12:57 AM 

Anyway, Google can't sue anyone - not when they let the spammers use their Adwords (fine to take their money though!) on this page alone there are 5 Google Adwords for spammy doorway page firms. To a novice this actually looks like Google is condoning this as it says Ads by Google. They do not have a leg to stand on.

Chris Sunda

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PostPosted: August 19, 2004 9:43 PM 

I am a small business property manager I got a call a year ago by traffic power to increase my listing position. I am not a programmer. I agreed and got delisted by google 3 months ago. I made many phone calls to traffic power to understand why? they blamed google each time saying it was some new ranking software. I told them to remove what they did to my sight. They say they did how do I get relisted?

Dodger

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PostPosted: August 19, 2004 9:56 PM 

Hey Chris. Send me some email (dodger at webstractions.com) and I will step you through it, okay?

It will take some time for Google to re-index the site, but if all goes well it should not take much longer than a month.

britecorp

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PostPosted: August 20, 2004 3:33 PM 

Bob Massa tried to sue Google for being dropped from the listings a while back. Didn't get his listing back - but he did profit from the publicity, allegedly.

At the end of the day, if your site is clean, simply e-mail Google apologising for your error, and that your site is now clean of such material.

And blame Traffic Power for so overtly flouting clear stipulations on what is absolutely not acceptable to Google.

Billie Sumner

Posts: 1

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PostPosted: August 20, 2004 8:07 PM 

Our small business was a victim of Traffic Power. Today is August 20th, 2004 and I have been off Google for a month now. Previously I had excellent search engine ratings and had been on Google for a year. I took everything off my site that Traffic Power had done and have asked to be reindexed onto Google. This has really damaged our small new struggling business. I am not sure how long it will take to get back on Google. I have a fear in the back of my mind that my site has been banned forever from Google, but I hope this is not the case. It was amazing the instant that Traffic Power put something on my website, my site came down. Traffic Power will not refund my money. I could not believe my ears when Traffic Power claims that what they did had no bearing on my site coming down. They gave me some unbelievable story of why Google had taken my site down.

SpotNRoz

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PostPosted: August 26, 2004 3:56 PM 

A small RANT first ... Look out! Mob hysteria is alive and well on the internet.

From personal experience I know the kind of hysteria that can be created in discussion groups, having been a victim of such a targetted situation myself. All it takes is one person to make an assessment, based on their own judgement, biases and life's experiences. Whether or not the assessment is right has nothing to do with anything. Then just stand back and watch the vultures appear. ..... END OF RANT

I am also a TP customer. I also know they are undertaking steps to resolve the problem. As a paying customer they have extended my service by 6 months, and have also provided me with alternative advertising (pop-up ads) until the problem is resolved (I can just imagine what kind of comments this is going to bring). Know what? If more people just take a deep breath, take a step back, look at the WHOLE situation, and maybe things will look a little different. Do I hear someone whipering 'tolerance and patience'

SpotNRoz

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PostPosted: August 26, 2004 3:57 PM 

A small RANT first ... Look out! Mob hysteria is alive and well on the internet.

From personal experience I know the kind of hysteria that can be created in discussion groups, having been a victim of such a targetted situation myself. All it takes is one person to make an assessment, based on their own judgement, biases and life's experiences. Whether or not the assessment is right has nothing to do with anything. Then just stand back and watch the vultures appear. ..... END OF RANT

I am also a TP customer. I also know they are undertaking steps to resolve the problem. As a paying customer they have extended my service by 6 months, and have also provided me with alternative advertising (pop-up ads) until the problem is resolved (I can just imagine what kind of comments this is going to bring). Know what? If more people just take a deep breath, take a step back, look at the WHOLE situation, and maybe things will look a little different. Do I hear someone whipering 'tolerance and patience'

SpotNRoz

Posts: 3

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PostPosted: August 26, 2004 4:02 PM 

A small RANT first ... Look out! Mob hysteria is alive and well on the internet.

From personal experience I know the kind of hysteria that can be created in discussion groups, having been a victim of such a targetted situation myself. All it takes is one person to make an assessment, based on their own judgement, biases and life's experiences. Whether or not the assessment is right has nothing to do with anything. Then just stand back and watch the vultures appear. ..... END OF RANT

I am also a TP customer. I also know they are undertaking steps to resolve the problem. As a paying customer they have extended my service by 6 months, and have also provided me with alternative advertising (pop-up ads) until the problem is resolved (I can just imagine what kind of comments this is going to bring). Know what? If more people just take a deep breath, take a step back, look at the WHOLE situation, and maybe things will look a little different. Do I hear someone whipering 'tolerance and patience'

trevor baker

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PostPosted: August 31, 2004 4:30 PM 

i just recieved a call from a company called trafic power. can you tell me anything about it. i dont want to get scammed or have my site banned from google. please let me know as soon as you possibly can

Corey Collins

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PostPosted: September 8, 2004 11:35 AM 

Just a little update on Traffic Power. They have changed their name to 1P. I posted a little news article about my call on http://www.coreycollins.com.

Dee

Posts: 1

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PostPosted: September 11, 2004 2:45 AM 

i have heard the name change is due to a buyout of t-p by another SEO company.

Deanna Schlesinger

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PostPosted: September 11, 2004 2:46 AM 

i have heard the name change is due to a buyout of t-p by another SEO company.

Mark Carey

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PostPosted: September 11, 2004 7:45 AM 

Where did you hear that?

Sounds suspicious. Why would any SEO company want to buy T-P, a company with a terrible repuation for SEO, and a customer base who hates them and are trying to sue them?

Anonomous

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PostPosted: September 13, 2004 3:16 AM 

A buyout??? No I don't think so. I know a guy who works there. He just told me it was a name change.

Deanna Schlesinger

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PostPosted: September 16, 2004 12:00 AM 

I also know someone who works there.....

Debbie Nelson

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PostPosted: September 18, 2004 5:45 PM 

I have experience with traffic power. Yes one of my sites was banned from google as well as the SEE pages that TP made for two of my web sites. Am I mad? You bet, this has taken too much of my time not to mention the down time with google. It took 3 weeks of begging to get back into Google's index but I am back in. I had to asked TP to remove the SEE pages and any and all reference to my web sites. Of course they don't think they have done anything wrong. I went with them because I am a new web site owner and I need to rely on the experts for marketing. This whole experience has put a sour taste in my mouth. I have received a number of calls from other compaines offering to help me with my sites - know what I tell them? GET LOST! Someone else has already screwed me for a couple thousand dollars.
Now for American Express. I am on my second request for a refund - TP came up with some BS about how they did their job blah, blah , blah. I am not finished - I WANT MY MONEY BACK. They broke their contract by getting the SEE pages and my web site banned.
As for the the Better Business Bureau of Nevada - I just rec'd their reply in the mail today. TP had enclosed some crap about google doing a re-index and how it affected page rank ---- My complaint is NOT page rank it's being BANNED.
I suggest any and all persons who have had bad experienced with Traffic Power, report them to the BBB of Nevada and complain to your credit card company. I am not done yet. I will either get my refund or a ton of flesh - or both!

Wayne Colby

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PostPosted: October 1, 2004 3:34 AM 

God, Does Traffic Power really expect the name change to repair or save there business. These guys are scammers, plain and simple. The shame of it all is if someone stole a candy bar from a 7-11 they would be in more legal problems than these guys.

Melissa Springer

Posts: 1

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PostPosted: October 5, 2004 9:49 AM 

Debbie,

I just read your experience. Mine was very similar. They lie, lie again and then lie some more.

Here is just a little of what I went through when I was banned.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=365207

It's been months since I was banned and I still haven't got my sites search engine positions back to where they were pre-TP but I am still plugging away.

Good luck.

Melissa

Kimspitstop.dk

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PostPosted: October 11, 2004 6:42 AM 

Nice someone take actions to provide cleaner web, but it seems to be a enormous task :O)
(doorway pages are popular among blackhat's)

I put a backlink to your info on my blog, where
the subject is SEO guidelines (WHITEHAT)
http://www.metaname.blogspot.com

What is your opinion with googlebomb, SEO Match Seraphim Proudleduck?
http://home6.inet.tele.dk/anton/seraphim-proudleduck.htm

Resume:
Content is king, SEO is the Throne, but without backlinks you are dead.

Regards
KAH

Mike

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PostPosted: February 3, 2005 10:02 AM 

1p only uses mouse over, they do not make any changes to client site, so based upon above, there should be no banning problems using 1p for traffic. Right?

Jeremy L. Knauff

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PostPosted: February 11, 2005 1:42 PM 

Robert H. Hardin, Jr., take a look at Googles TOS - you would have no legal grounds to stand on if you tried to sue them. You best bet is to use a reputable SEO firm to fix your problems.

metal

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PostPosted: February 14, 2005 2:17 AM 

traffic power sucks! they tried hard to get my money.... but i was lucky enough to do the research.... they are total scam artists. my site is still ranked o.k. www.metalbuildingdepot.com and www.iconbuildingsystems.com

Jim

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PostPosted: February 22, 2005 7:23 PM 

FYI -- it's means "it is" and its is the possessive form of it.

Kent

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PostPosted: March 7, 2005 2:22 PM 

I was just recently solicited by 1P.com and spent $3000 dollars - 2 days ago - before I had heard any of this! Has 1P done anything to rectify their situation or are they continuing the unethical behavior? With what they are currently doing...will I just get banned down the road? Question 2 -Since they haven't done anything for me yet...can I get my money back or just refuse to pay my credit card charge?

Mark Carey

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PostPosted: March 7, 2005 2:31 PM 

Kent,

I don't know the answers to your questions.

But given the history, you may want to dispute the charges with your credit card company immediately, and then conduct further research.

-Mark

Ron Alvey

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PostPosted: March 11, 2005 9:47 PM 

I have problems with Traffic Power and have disputed the credit card charge and filed a complaint with the BBB. Traffic Power claims that they have fulfilled the contract by developing a completely different website that points to our website. This was done after we were blowen off of Google in mid 2004.
My question is: Has anyone filed a complaint with the Nevada Attorney General?

Gary Pond

Posts: 1

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PostPosted: April 29, 2005 12:57 PM 

Our site was banned by Google and Yahoo at the exact same time (who says they don't talk) Because of this area in Google, we were able to be reinstated by Google with in 3 weeks (thank you Google). Yahoo, on the other hand, has yet to allow us to rank or even show up for anything other than our pure URL. We can't figure out what we are doing wrong, if anything, or what we need to do to correct the problem. There seems to be NO way of talking to a human being at Yahoo. Does anyone have any suggestions that might get us again listed in the rankings at Yahoo? We are a small company and need Yahoo to be on our side.

Got Dooped!!

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PostPosted: May 24, 2005 7:46 PM 

My company has fallen victim to T-P. I am not sure what to do. I paid them an initial 1500 when we first started. The contract said that they would get another 1500 later when we see the results. They did absolutely nothing and we saw no results. I cancelled the account in Jan., and have written proof, but today, a hostile salesperson from t-p called and treatened to sell what they have done in terms of optimization to our competitors.

The people there are impossible to reason with.

Any suggestions on what I should do?

dk

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PostPosted: June 17, 2005 4:52 PM 

these guys are crooked, i worked for them. they have NO CARES about the customers. they just TAKE their money and when they start wanting a refund, they just tell them to hurry up and finish the shitty job to keep from giving their money back.

meanwhile the fat ass owner hands out keys to new vettes, NSXs, SUVs to the thieving sales managers there.

Martha Kuyten

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PostPosted: June 19, 2005 7:58 AM 

I have been banned from Google for some time now and I am wondering how I can be put back on the search engines. I, too, was suckered in by Traffic-Power. It all looked so straight forward; I had a representative call me and convinced me to pay their rate for assistance with search engines--in other words, they basically assured me I'd get more hits on my website therefore more work. Please let me know how and whom I need to contact to be put back on the search engines of Google.

Thanks for your time and consideration; I look forward to hearing from you.

Martha
www.dreamsbymartha.com

kevin nelson

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PostPosted: July 21, 2005 12:13 AM 

Our index/homepage was recently dropped from the Google index and we are not sure why. The other pages of the site show up. If we were dropped for a spammy practice, why would just the homepage be removed?
We do own a couple of sites that link to the main page, but thats about it.
Any insights appreciated.

Jay

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PostPosted: July 21, 2005 6:07 PM 

Kevin it is because Google's algorthims have changed.

Lowrey Hesse

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PostPosted: August 28, 2005 2:55 PM 

I have tried several ways to sue these people (Traffic Power) but they keep moving.

I would appreciate hearing from someone that has their current address so I can have a Las Vegas constable serve them with a summons to appear or answer to the court system in Alabama.

Nick

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PostPosted: September 2, 2005 4:36 AM 

Hi Lowrey Hesse,

Traffic Power have tried to avoid the bad publicity by changing their name to IP - you can find them in Google. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=1P

Note the comments from Aaron Wall above their listing. They are now taking him to court. Find out more on Threadwatch and find out how you can help the campaign.

http://www.threadwatch.org/node/3701

xfiles

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PostPosted: September 2, 2005 2:06 PM 

Traffic power is moving foward, another cold call seo company strangly has the same managers and sales people, and oddly enough they're in vegas... Traffic power aka 1p, aka I-zing, do these guys even know who they are...

http://www.seobook.com/archives/001140.shtml#comments

Good Luck Aaron

Blogging is NOT a Crime!

Al Smith

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PostPosted: September 7, 2005 12:05 PM 

Watch out for 2 other companies that Tp goes under Elite web design and internet promotion now.

Michael

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PostPosted: September 9, 2005 6:10 PM 

Hello,

My name is Michael,

I hate to admit I worked for traffic power. I regret ever bringing my friends company websites to traffic power. When I tried to warn people and my friends and others about traffic power they fired me and ordered me to stay away from their offices and got a restraining order on me.

I want everyone to know I know the code and the pages they were creating and it is true they create close to 1,800 redirect pages and hide in the backgroung web address to over 50 clients and they keep adding them to all the pages. I also know they are moving there company to japan.

I had sent Google in the past about 4 years ago a warning about traffic powers company and send them the coding they were using but I got no response and no one would listen.

Thanks for warning people now I hope they listen this time.

Here is a website that you can see what they do when you come to the website look at the source code and see all the pages they hid with in the website

http://www.golfstatsinc.com

Take care
Michael

Trying to Help

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PostPosted: September 16, 2005 1:14 PM 


WARNING

I worked for TP left last week they are now selling under the names I-zing.biz, 1st-page.com, and 1stsearchranking.com avoid these companies, and support Aaron Wall and TPsucks in thier lawsuit.

Search Engines Web

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PostPosted: September 17, 2005 9:01 PM 

Possibly - because of controversies like theese -

Google has begun a NEW PILOT PROGRAM - new spidering technology isolates doorway JavaScript Redirects -

then an Auto Email is sent to Webmaster@whateversite com to explain WHY and warn them of a 30 day banning commencement :cry: - a link to the Google Webmaster Guidelines page - and a link with options for reinstatement requests.

A top Google Engineer has verified this - and several forum posts have already been made by Webmasters who received this email.

Why should innocent site owners suffer because of independant SEO tactics that they did not encourage.

Eric

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PostPosted: September 27, 2005 5:46 PM 

Beware! These folks are back and going by the name of internetadvertising1.com :evil:

Can't wait to find out how much they scammed us for.



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PostPosted: September 28, 2005 4:46 PM 

Hi there...just so you know, 1P is no longer affiliated with Traffic Power. He has gone off on his own and is trying very hard to run a good, clean business. Check out this article. It is unfair to him that he has to defend something that he has not done.www.lasvegastribune.com/webexclusives2.html

Peter

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PostPosted: September 29, 2005 1:05 AM 

1st-Page.com

This is a company to avoid for SEO OPtimization. Their website states that you do not pay until you are on the first page but that is not the truth. You pay $1000 and up initially and then you find out that they are doing little if anything but having a good time with your money. Bugging them gets the old song and dance. Just avoid this company and all the others... just a scam!

Peter

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PostPosted: September 29, 2005 1:06 AM 

1st-Page.com

This is a company to avoid for SEO OPtimization. Their website states that you do not pay until you are on the first page but that is not the truth. You pay $1000 and up initially and then you find out that they are doing little if anything but having a good time with your money. Bugging them gets the old song and dance. Just avoid this company and all the others... just a scam!

Peter

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PostPosted: September 29, 2005 1:06 AM 

1st-Page.com

This is a company to avoid for SEO OPtimization. Their website states that you do not pay until you are on the first page but that is not the truth. You pay $1000 and up initially and then you find out that they are doing little if anything but having a good time with your money. Bugging them gets the old song and dance. Just avoid this company and all the others... just a scam!

Peter

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PostPosted: September 29, 2005 1:06 AM 

1st-Page.com

This is a company to avoid for SEO OPtimization. Their website states that you do not pay until you are on the first page but that is not the truth. You pay $1000 and up initially and then you find out that they are doing little if anything but having a good time with your money. Bugging them gets the old song and dance. Just avoid this company and all the others... just a scam!

FYI

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PostPosted: October 17, 2005 12:20 PM 

>Hi there...just so you know, 1P is no longer affiliated with Traffic Power. He has gone off on his own and is trying very hard to run a good, clean business.

Well that is not how the Wall Street Journal tells the story.

The Wall Street Journal profiled the alleged Traffic Power telemarketing scams here
http://www.startupjournal.com/ecommerce/ecommerce/20050923-kesmodel.html

FYI

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PostPosted: October 17, 2005 12:24 PM 

>Hi there...just so you know, 1P is no longer affiliated with Traffic Power. He has gone off on his own and is trying very hard to run a good, clean business.

Well that is not how the Wall Street Journal tells the story.

The Wall Street Journal profiled the alleged Traffic Power telemarketing scams here
http://www.startupjournal.com/ecommerce/ecommerce/20050923-kesmodel.html

FYI

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PostPosted: October 17, 2005 12:56 PM 

>Hi there...just so you know, 1P is no longer affiliated with Traffic Power. He has gone off on his own and is trying very hard to run a good, clean business.

Well that is not how the Wall Street Journal tells the story.

The Wall Street Journal profiled the alleged Traffic Power telemarketing scams here
http://www.startupjournal.com/ecommerce/ecommerce/20050923-kesmodel.html



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PostPosted: November 7, 2005 1:59 AM 

I think everyone here is a loser...I don't work for traffic power but I am a client. I paid money and for the past 2 yrs. I have had no problems with what they offered vs what I paid for. My business, to name just one, has been doing well. I noticed everything on here is a general complaint....did they do anything specific to anybody?

Oh and googleguy....you're gay. Oh, for all the haters out there, I'm in Egypt...and I still think you guys suck, even compared to 3rd world africa...don't quit your day job.

Customer

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PostPosted: November 7, 2005 2:04 AM 

I think everyone here is a loser...I don't work for traffic power but I am a client. I paid money and for the past 2 yrs. I have had no problems with what they offered vs what I paid for. My business, to name just one, has been doing well. I noticed everything on here is a general complaint....did they do anything specific to anybody?

Oh and googleguy....you're gay. Oh, for all the haters out there, I'm in Egypt...and I still think you guys suck, even compared to 3rd world africa...don't quit your day job.

Sally

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PostPosted: November 14, 2005 9:08 AM 

I did try 1st-page.com and they were very friendly upfront while they were arranging to get my $1500 but after that they always just said 'you need to be patient'. I was for almost 6 months and they did nothing... they did zero what they said they were going to do. They didn't even fix my meta tags that I had messed up e.g. telling the spiders 'no follow'. Any way I also checked all my log files and the Server FTP files that also showed that they had done nothing. I am working with my bank to get the money back.

Jeremy L. Knauff

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PostPosted: November 18, 2005 10:40 PM 

The bottom line is they will stay around as long as they can keep starting new companies pulling the same scam.

flyx

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PostPosted: December 20, 2005 11:35 PM 

It seems that there are so many sites online that wish to offer you top ranking and good traffic with very little work. As we all know it takes some work to make it on the internet. With all of these sites making offers of the top spot on Google or Yahoo how do we know what is the best way to get good clean traffic. There has to be sites and or chat rooms just to guide the new people that wish to take a chance on making a dollar on the internet. Looking for members to start and monitor a group to do just that. Show people the correct ways to build traffic.

http://groups.msn.com/Onlinemarketingmusicandmisc-

Julie Wallace

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PostPosted: January 3, 2006 2:05 PM 

I am in need of a reputable and successful search engine placement company to maximize a new website I am constructing.

Can you offer suggestions please.

Robert

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PostPosted: January 5, 2006 12:20 PM 

I just signed on with a company called E-Results that looks a lot like the Traffic Power service. They have been banned on Google using my site. Does anyone know what I can do? I paid these people $3000.00 for their placement service guaranteeing top search engine placement. If Google banned the placement, am I entitled to sever the contract?

Thank you

Karen

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PostPosted: January 15, 2006 1:32 PM 

It appears this company has more aliases they are using. I too contracted for service with Internet Promotion Now aka Internet Promotion, Inc in Indiana. I too did not get anything like they promoted but fortunately, I only spent a small portion of what others have spent. How do we stop these people? I posted on my blog the process that I experienced as well as a recorded conversation with the support deparment, a recording this person was aware of and agreed to. This recording confirms my findings and the affiliation with all companies in question. You can read my blog at http://pcincome.blogspot.com

How do we stop these people?

Karen

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PostPosted: January 15, 2006 1:39 PM 

I don't know where this will go but I did file a complaint on Internet Promotion Now www.internetpromotionnow.com aka Internet Promotion, Inc with the BBB and the FTC and will also file a complain with the Attorney General in Indiana and Las Vegas as well.

Karen

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PostPosted: January 15, 2006 1:49 PM 

Oh, and here's another part of the process http://www.internetpromotionnow.com uses to set you up for the fall. They continually tell you you have to wait 12-14 weeks to see the results of their work. If you were told that and it's not been 12-14 weeks, take note: (this is from a business associate)

"I mentioned this 90 day thing in my book.

Do you know the reason companies tell you that?

Because, after 90 days your credit card company will no longer do a chargeback or attempt to investigate for you. You are 100% stuck as far as help from them."

They got it all figured out!!



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PostPosted: January 28, 2006 9:59 PM 

And who is http://www.TopRankConsulting.com? Got a call from Cindy who I was told was with Internet Promotion Now but when I called back, the voice mail routing system said the company name was Top Rank Consulting. Cindy refused to allow me to tape our conversation so I ended it quickly.

DD

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PostPosted: May 9, 2006 4:31 PM 

They are now E-Advertising Consultants.com
watch out! They claim to be out of Florida

Barbara

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PostPosted: August 23, 2006 10:49 AM 

Could someone please let me know of www.toprankconsulting being a fraud? I have paid $3,000. Their website has been down for about 6 weeks, I can not talk to anyone on phone and emails are returned as undeliverable. Can anyone help me?

isulong seoph

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PostPosted: August 25, 2006 8:40 PM 

its hard to trust to a seo company if they dont show any success of their clients.

Barbara

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PostPosted: August 28, 2006 9:11 AM 

It is real hard to trust a SEO company. Do you know anything about toprankconsulting.com, eresults.com?

om

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PostPosted: October 19, 2006 6:51 PM 

*-* 'D'F4'!

A guy who knows

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PostPosted: October 30, 2006 9:01 PM 

Rich Splain, one of the "partners" of Traffic Power, is now residing and ripping people off in Rifle CO. His current dba is U.S. Real estate development and Investment. A Nevada Corp. in which his Brother in law and sister are the named shareholders so he doesn't have his name where people can see it , or take any of his holdings. give him a call 970 625 2132

Ronnie

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PostPosted: November 14, 2006 5:25 PM 

Google has not banned all Traffic Power Clients. An Example in http://www.abacusvacations.com
Has traffic power link here, http://www.abacusvacations.com/safari/

Borat

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PostPosted: November 20, 2006 2:01 AM 

All links mentioned above are true. I once worked in that stupid mother fucking company that is located here in manila. dont be fooled by these people. they are now operating in cairo. the office here was shut down due to the stupidness of our Operations Manager named "Maricel Trivino" who is very loyal to fucking Matt Marlon. all employees are still unpaid up to the very moment.

Karen

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PostPosted: December 12, 2006 7:06 PM 

Got a call tonight from a Cecil (sp?) Simons (female voice), Solutions For The Net solutionsforthenet.com a/k/a s4tn.com 702-309-3790.

Maybe I'm just jumping to conclusions, I don't know but it feels so similiar. Especially when you read testimonials on thier site saying they've been with the company for 3 years yet it says the domain name was only registered on August 11, 2006.

I absolutely would not recommend doing business with a SEO company that calls you and solicits you. I have the same policy for paper advertisers. If they were good at what they do, they would have enough business going on that they would be out there looking for me.

Jennifer

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PostPosted: December 30, 2006 6:02 PM 

This company you are speaking of. Is it the same as 1st-page.com?

Melissa

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PostPosted: January 18, 2007 2:50 PM 

I know that s4tn does not do SEO. they are not traffic power nor first place. they do something different like when you're site pops up on top of the search engines above everyone else. i was looking into seo with my husband for his site and saw this forum about traffic power in vegas and happened to look at it to see the options of seo vs ppc vs s4tn. so what you folks are saying is don't go with first place aka traffic power. maybe i'll call s4tn back!!

David

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PostPosted: February 1, 2007 12:29 AM 

Hi Melissa,
I was looking thru these postings and noticed that you are looking at going with s4tn. I have no dealings with the other companies listed, but I do with s4tn.
First thing to know about them, is that when they talk to you and tell you about why you should go with them; DO NOT believe it. They will tell you that they guarantee 10,000 unique hits to YOUR site, and then when you call to complain, they tell you that the guarantee is that 10,000 unique visitors will perform the search and may or may not visit YOUR site. Well you can spend less money on true PAY PER CLICK for real customers. Also the information that they give you does not show only unique visitors, it shows all hits. If you go thru them then track your IP addresses carefully and accurately. I also recommend keeping a very close eye on your server logs. Keep everything saved on disk and printed where possible. And definitely pay with a credit card so that you can get your money back if required.
This was my first advertising campaign and I did not know what to look out for or what to do, and I did not use a credit card. Because of this I will be forced to take drastic measures, but I have plenty of evidence to show what they have done to me. These are problems that I have had, I do not know if they have done this to anyone else. If anyone has had serious problems with s4tn or Webmenu (s4tn takes the money and webmenu performs the services) please feel free to contact me at davidshoe@charter.net.

Stacy

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PostPosted: February 1, 2007 7:19 PM 

The latest scam is eadvertisingconsultants.com. We gave them $3500 of our hard earned money and never heard from them again. Their website is now down and their phone number does not work. Do not believe any SEO that cold calls you and tells you they can put you on the front page of google. I unfortunately learned the hard way. Bastards.

Gil

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PostPosted: March 6, 2007 2:27 AM 

Got a call from S4TN or Webmenu tonight..Wow their demonstration seems impressive, however i was not comfortable with their high pressure sales tatics.It just made me think SCAM! They wanted me to spend $4475 with them without getting a chance to think about it.

Tiffany

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PostPosted: March 19, 2007 8:10 PM 

I used Traffic Power a couple of years ago. I was really happy with the results. My business took off. I did not renew after a year as I thought my business was going so good, I didn't need them. I was wrong. I recently tried to find them again and found all this. I guess I'm glad I ended our transaction when I did, but does someone know of another company that will produce the same results, legally?

Sandra

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PostPosted: May 16, 2007 10:21 AM 

I am such a novice that I didn't even understand half of what I'm reading here about Traffic Power, etc. but I received a call from Solutions for the Net and will NOT do business with them based on what I've read. Thanks!! There sales force and presentation are excellent. If it seems too good to be true...........!


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